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Hey folks,
Katie Phang and I are back with episode two of “Breaking Bread” and this one goes deep. We cover everything from therapy and parenting to the impossible balance between ambition and presence. If you’ve ever felt like you’re running out of tools as a parent, partner, or person—this conversation is for you. It’s vulnerable, reflective, and full of those moments that make you pause and say, “Yep, same.”
[00:01:07] Katie opens up about seeking a new therapist for her daughter and how the process prompted her own emotional reflection.
[00:03:45] I talk about what therapy looks like for me now, including non-traditional forms like kayaking, mass, and forum meetings.
[00:07:31] A conversation about parenting with structure and softness, and why both are necessary but hard to balance.
[00:12:56] Katie shares a gut-punch moment when her daughter called her out—and how she responded with grace and accountability.
[00:17:42] We close with a reflection on modeling emotional presence for our kids, and what it takes to stay in the room when things get hard.
With urgency,
—Mike.
