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Marc Orfanos's avatar

I don't think it's so much that they THINK we're stupid, I think it's more the case that they KNOW that their base IS stupid and gullible.

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Mike Nellis's avatar

I do believe they think we're all so stupid they can gaslight us on the economy and it's not going to work.

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Cherae Stone's avatar

No effin’ WAY! 🤦🏼‍♀️

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Janet's avatar

They hope we’re ignorant because we’ve stayed quiet while they run over us. Our leaders don’t educate us. They remain silent or whisper among themselves. They have meetings in the bowels of the Capitol. Who in the public knows to look for them? Why not have rallies like Bernie and Trump instead? Have 30 minute infomercials daily or weekly? I watch shows on YouTube. There are ads telling us what “wonderful things Trump is doing”. Those ads are shown during democratic podcasts. I don’t know how that happens. But, it shouldn’t be.

I read about trump before the first election- his cheating small companies, refusing to pay them, an article about a lawsuit filed by a woman who claimed he raped her when she was thirteen. In order to know these things the general public would have to had read about them. But, they were not in general public newspapers, journals, or magazines.

A comment about being a paid subscriber. If I paid to subscribe to the stacks of people who I enjoy reading my expense would be over $50/mo. That’s something I can’t afford.

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James King's avatar

DUMP AND IMPEACH TRAITOR , NAZIS , FELONS, PREDATORS ,AND CON REPUBLICONS EVERYWHERE. YES CON REPUBLICONS, CLIMATE CHANGE IS DANGEROUS, REAL, DISRUPTIVE WORLDWIDE, COSTLY, AND PREVENTABLE. STOP DENYING CLIMATE CHANGE AND FACE THE SCIENCE . DUMP THE CON RTRUMP AND CRONIES. DEPORT RTRUMP'S WIFE AND RELATIVES. BOYCOTT NAZI MUSK AND NAZI RTRUMP. VOTE FOR DEMOCRACY AND THE FAIR DEAL, NOT THE RAW DEAL.

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Dan's avatar

The Substack economic model isn't very good. With just subscribing or supporting two or three contributors, we’re paying the same as a subscription to the NYTs, and more than a monthly contribution to “Save the Children”, and that isn't affordable for most people on a budget.

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Mike Nellis's avatar

I am planning to keep my Substack free, any support I get will help pay for some staff and editing I need for content creation.

I think if Substack ads paid advertising (which I am 50/50 on) it may change.

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Kelly A's avatar

I see your point on advertising but also so tired of feeding the corporate money machine and also having ads constantly popping up in our faces. I will send some money your way since I have relied on you lately to keep me up to date, especially when “my” late night guys were on vacation. Thanks for the time you put into this.

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Mike Nellis's avatar

Thank you! Appreciate the support for the work

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mary thiel's avatar

Exactly. I keep my subscription to the NYTimes, as it’s 4.00/month, even though I think their coverage is worthless, because I need to have a place to go somewhere for immediate coverage if we have a national emergency. But to subscribe to every worthy Substack is not doable, but I would love to subscribe. I would accept ads if that would help, or how about choosing to subscribe for a smaller charge.

Anyways, I so appreciate Nellis, like Krugman and Reich and other s for offering it for free.

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Joseph Zeigler's avatar

Mike Nellis has the right instincts but he's dancing around the crater instead of staring into it.

Yeah, Johnson's FBI informant bullshit was insulting. And sure, the economy's a mess wrapped in PrumpTutin's tariff disaster. But Mike's missing the point that should be carved into every Democrat's forehead: they don't think we're stupid. They know we are. We proved it. Twice.

2016 was the warning shot. PrumpTutin stood on stage, asked Russia to hack Hillary's emails, and we shrugged. He praised Putin like a lovesick teenager and half the country swooned. We had the playbook right there—foreign interference, authoritarian worship, the whole treasonous package—and we handed him the keys anyway.

2024 was the confirmation. After January 6th. After stealing classified documents like party favors. After watching him genuflect to every dictator with a pulse. We didn't just elect him again—we gave him the popular vote this time. Gift-wrapped with a bow.

So when Johnson spins his Epstein fairy tale, he's not insulting our intelligence. He's running a proven playbook. Why wouldn't he lie? We've shown him lies work better than truth, conspiracy beats reality, and gaslighting gets you elected.

Mike talks about pushing back, about public shaming working. But shaming only works if people feel shame. PrumpTutin's spent a decade proving that shamelessness is a superpower in American politics.

The real tragedy isn't that Republicans think we're idiots. It's that we keep proving them right. Until Democrats face that hard truth—until we stop acting shocked by predictable lies—every Johnson fever dream is just target practice for the next big con.

And PrumpTutin's already planning his victory lap.

Read more: Burnt-Ground.com

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Jennifer Baron's avatar

Don’t people become informants to avoid jail time?

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Bensnewlogin's avatar

Pretty much what I said.

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Susan from OC's avatar

I hate to say this, but the Democratic Party needs NEW LEADERS. Chuck Schumer is a nice guy, but his ideas are rooted in the past, and his approach is too milquetoast. We don't need yet another strongly worded letter, we need IN YOUR FACE confrontations, and truth. We need policies that will help actual people live better lives, not just billionaires. Raise the minimum wage to a livable wage, provide universal health care, paid family leave, and get the wealthy to pitch in a fair share so we can provide all of this.

Oh, and get ICE out of our communities. Let them arrest and deport actual criminals, not landscapers, farm workers, housekeepers, and nannies. These are the people who support our economy, and they are givers, not takers.

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mary thiel's avatar

Schumer’s approach may be not what we need right now, but how is he against all the policies you say Dems must fight for? How can they possibly make all that happen now, when they have no power to do that? In my long life my recollection is that any attempt is met with forceful pushback, and that is not the Dems’ fault. Constantly demonizing the democrats, I think is going to be so divisive, and we are going to lose elections, just as what happened to Hillary. Be for reform, but not to the point of throwing out the baby with the bath water. United, we stand, and only unity is going to defeat trump.

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Susan from OC's avatar

Mary, I never said Schumer was against Democratic policies, just that his leadership style is outdated and not aggressive enough to counter the MAGAS. There are lots of great progressive Democrats, like Warren, Sanders, AOC, Schiff, and many more. The aggressive pushback is not the Dems fault, but they need leaders who will resist, and Schumer's tactics are not working.

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Maria Loy's avatar

Mike Johnson lied about trump bring an fbi informant because it is maga supporters who showed him they are willing the believe ANYTHING POSITIVE about trump. He doesn’t care what everyone else believes. He believes that trump only needs maga supporters and you know what? He probably called it right about maga. Has anyone polled them and asked them that one specific question? Because I can almost GUARANTEE that the majority of them bought it.

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Nancy Johnston's avatar

You are right, the majority are not stupid and we see what is going on.

I about cried I laughed so loud at Speaker Johnson's remarks about trump and being a informant. OMG!

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gerri caldarola's avatar

We need to shut it down -- no voting for funding this time unless we get serious concessions and even then no funding -- Don't trust these people.

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Michael Groothuis's avatar

The problem, in my opinion, is that the American people ARE that stupid. Stupid enough to have bought Trump's BS and elect that con artist a second time.

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Douglas's avatar

Yes.....why WOULDNT they gaslight 78 MILLION people again??? Until the people prove them wrong why change the formula??? Though I firmly believe this has been the world's most effective psy-op and propoganda operation in human history. Goebbels would be stunned.

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Kelly A's avatar

And THAT has also been my deepest fear- that the reality is that we are that dumb and uneducated about history. As an educator myself, that feels like a major fail in the American educational system.

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Jacobs-Meadway Roberta's avatar

You can fool some of the people all of the time. The problem we have is making sure people can and do vote and these Project 2025 clowns can not make that more difficult where they can not make it essentially impossible and then making sure there are candidates opposing the MAGA candidates who are intelligent and capable of listening to the people who vote and actually get out the door and do the work and respond quickly to all the nonsense from the GOP. The Democrats lost a Senate seat in PA that should not have been lost because of a failure to engage and a focus on where the current Senator lived, instead of responding to issues of concern and lies about his position.

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Bensnewlogin's avatar

I really wish I had your optimism, Mike.

“ But that’s how dumb Republicans like Mike Johnson think we are—that he can just spit out something that laughably false, and a decent chunk of people will buy it without question.”

No, I don’t think that’s it at all. They know that their base will either buy it without question, or will not question it for their own purposes. We’ve been watching this unfold for the last 15 years, or the last 30 years, or the last 45 years, ever since Reagan was elected on the premise that there were welfare Queens driving Cadillacs And living on the public dime.

Before the election, Trump said that kids can go to school and come back in the afternoon the opposite sex. The culture warriors, even those that knew that that wasn’t true, said absolutely nothing about exactly how stupid that was. And his base simply did not care, because that confirmed their prejudices.

The Little Johnson said that Trump was actually an FBI agent undercover. I can see Trump saying: “ gosh. I guess I’ll have to molest or sexually abuse this female person for the 28 times that I’ve been to the island because that’s how I knew that Bill Clinton was there for 28 times, not because of the Epstein files which don’t exist and which if they do, are a democratic hoax.” his base simply buys the assumption, and ignores all the things that he said that contradict that.

A few weeks ago, Bessent said that higher prices are just the cost of doing business, and that American should get used to it, as wealth continues to go into the treasury and from there into the pockets of billionaires as it transfers upwards from the working in middle classes. He said this, and no one said a word about it— no one outside of the opposition, and even that response was fairly muted.

Meanwhile, the far right and the religious right continued to demonize gay people, transgender people, and drag queens and the decent people, not wanting to appear to be attacking religion, don’t point out that it’s not eight drag queen’s getting arrested, or sentenced, or convicted last week for their crimes against children and women, but eight pastors, priests, or people with deep connections to conservative Christianity.

I read an article a couple of months ago, about the governor of I think Nebraska complaining that with all of the arrests of farm, ranch, and fieldworkers, the state was facing a $15 billion loss in agriculture, and hundreds of millions of dollars in their tax base. He was appealing to Trump for Help. I read in the last couple of days an article about farmers in Arkansas losing their farms by the hundreds because they don’t have any money anymore. But I didn’t see either of these things in newspapers, only on news blogs like HuffPost or Joe my God. I don’t see senators from Nebraska or Arkansas making any speeches about this, any more than democratic senators made a speech about Bessent’s comment. It is not in the interests of those Republican senators to comment about this, because their interests do not coincide with the interests of their constituents. Why democratic senators are quiet is a mystery to me.

More than 50 years ago, I was a wrestling coach. Wrestling often attracts more intellectual young people, even though it is the most physical of sports. That’s one of the reasons I was attracted to it. On my first team, I had a number of nerdy boys Who wanted to participate in sports, as I had done, but we’re never going to make it in the world of normal boys who played baseball or football or basketball. I once asked one of the smarter ones why he was in wrestling. His comment was fairly astute for a 16-year-old: If I knew why I was in wrestling, I might very well not be in wrestling.”

Or putting it another way: One of the things I learned as I matured was that people know what they want to know.

This is what I wrote on these very pages a few weeks ago. It’s from my essay on the insurrection. It hasn’t changed:

“My conclusion? Looking at what people do, rather than what they say they are doing, provides much better information about who they really are. His base just wants a con man, a sociopath, a criminal, a manipulator, and unfortunately, a strong man to guide them and embody their aspirations. That's all there is to it, and nothing more. But how anyone could look at a venal, corrupt, dishonest, bullying, weak, lying narcissist like Trump, a self-confessed sexual abuser, and see strength, is beyond me.

But therein lies the answer as to how we got to this point. Not to put too fine a point on it, but nearly half the this nation is ethically crippled, reality challenged, intellectually deranged, educationally debased, empathetically destitute, morally lazy at best and morally bankrupt at worst. No nation has ever survived this, nor can it, unless the other half stays vigilant and active.”

I don’t really have any answers to any of this. What I see are people who have vested interest in telling the lies, people who have vested interests in not calling out the lies, and people who don’t care whether these are lies or not.

Where does Moses Mike fall in all of this? In all three groups. As I said:

nearly half the this nation is ethically crippled, reality challenged, intellectually deranged, educationally debased, empathetically destitute, morally lazy at best and morally bankrupt at worst.

I don’t have an answer to any of this. But as far as I can tell, until there are enough Republicans standing up and loudly pointing all of this out, nothing is going to change. We have a corrupt president, a weak, deficient and corrupt Congress, and a corrupt and compliant supreme court.

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Douglas's avatar

Johnson as has been rumoured is on the down low.....

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Molly Ringle's avatar

Bonus points for the Ba Sing Se reference! 💙

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carolyn semiglasow's avatar

Trump can tell MAGA anything and they will nod, drool, and wage their tails. The cost of getting by will win out though. When you can't feed your kids or pay your bills or get medicine when you contract the damn measles, a rosy message will not cut it. The truth will come home to roost.

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Bensnewlogin's avatar

I wish I believed that. Because I have a suspicion that as long as their neighbors can’t do any of that either, they won’t care.

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Diana Feather's avatar

Lmao 34 Felon and his reality show of SHIT MOUTH

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mary thiel's avatar

I relent, and agree, Schumer’s style is not what is called for now. I think there are maybe other democrats qualified to lead as well, including Warnock.

While watching the grilling of RFK jr I was impressed with how well some senators did confront RFK, jr, at least as much as that than that that came from Warren and Sanders.

I’m not wed to Schumer, I’m just worried this constant disparaging of the Democratic Party will cause people to say, why bother to vote, and votes are where it’s at. Perhaps frame the complaints differently, while still emphasizing the need for unity. The lack of unity got Hillary defeated.

Thank you for your measured response.

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Richard Brody's avatar

Actually, the truth would do. But we know that from the top down is a flow of lies, distractions, self-serving innuendos, meanness, ass-covering and what-have-you. We cannot expect anything different because, at its base, is a misbegotten avalanche of bullshit that will never stop. So what do you say to someone who believe all this stuff? Perhaps they are infected with the same disdain for anyone and anything that castigates Trump, no necessarily because it’s a fountainhead of lies, because it is calling into question the character or lack thereof which Trump represents. It’s sad for anyone who blindly follows this fool because ultimately it’s going to bite them in the ass big time: They will no longer have a democracy in which they may play a part in by voting; their rights of free speech will have gone by the wayside, their Social Security or Medicaid will disappear, their groceries will become priced out of reach for them and everyone else, and simply anything and everything that protects their lives and beings.

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