The level of immorality or ignorance to be a Trump supporter is unparalleled, regardless of perceived politics. Frankly, supporting this scumbag of a man as a kin to treason to the constitution.
My mother was a life long Republican. She would be horrified at what the Republican Party has become. She hated Donald. Mainly because of the way he treated tradesmen that did work on his casino later bankrupt. How do you bankrupt a Casino. After they finished the work Donald’s lawyers paid them Penny’s on the dollar. It ruined them. Made her sick.
Sorry I cannot listen anymore. You cannot convince anyone that deludes themselves that Trump is a good guy and has good intentions. Sorry I am out of here :( 3-1/2 more years to destroy our country
Precisely correct, and that includes Congresspeople who are not convinced, but who openly say they're afraid, and the supermajority of the SCOTUS. It's a wide open question what will be left after the 3 1/2 more years.
Agree. It was so hard to hear someone who should know better — who allegedly had respect for the rule of law — dismiss the blatant illegality of deeds by this felon. He befriended a pedophile, and has been sued by someone who was a child at the time when that felon raped her.
And he had problems with Harris??? Really!?? Wow. Yea, could not listen to him anymore.
I was gone after his first sentence, “there is no list”. HOL
Not gonna play the semantics game… even if Jeff didn’t have a handy dandy list he kept in his hip pocket to bribe those on the list, a list of all those participating in the abuse in any way, shape or form was certainly compiled during the investigation.
Mike, I appreciate you bringing your dad into this conversation! It was illuminating and baffling at times and reminds us of the divide that exists. I blame FOX and right wing media for the continuous misinformation and disinformation they spew. However, I would have thought that your dad’s former profession would give him a keener sense of skepticism, especially of a pathological liar! Thanks again for this convo and tell your dad his point of view was appreciated and I hope he appreciated ours. We can agree to disagree! 😁
Ms Hanford, you can blame Fox and right wing media all you like, but none of it has meaning without people like Bill Nellis to believe it.
I don't mean to be rude to Mike, or to Bill, but there's a reason candidates want a lot of campaign money. It buys them exposure, and if the public/voters are stupid and lazy enough, they'll buy what candidates are selling.
Fred, media consumption does play a role and it’s hard to navigate the lies, especially campaign rhetoric . We obviously vehemently disagree with Bill, but it’s important to engage and have respectful discussions and debates. We have to listen to each other’s side (as difficult as that is) in order to affect change AND have the patience of a saint for sure. I admit that I get frustrated and livid with many people. I also live in Texas!!!!
Agreed! I’m constantly protesting as well. I was at the redistricting hearing in Arlington a few days ago. Like you we have an abhorrent governor who is up tRump’s ass! 🤬
Alynne, to give you an illustration of how difficult, or impossible, it is to engage with some people, did you note that Bill corrected Mike, and said he had voted for Donnie four times? Donnie has only run three times, and he can't run again. "Engaging" in a conversation like that is banging your head against the wall. You think you're trying to discuss a point, and the other person lives in a fairy tale world.
Bill is a Trumper. They have all kinds of explanations for all of their positions, including why it wasn't really an insurrection, or why what appeared to be an insurrection was really Biden's doing. If you want to make yourself crazy, watch Jordan Klepper interview these people.
If 40% of the country feels this way, that means most people don't feel this way. The gerrymandering and voter suppression are for a reason: that Republicans know they'll lose unless they cheat.
I know nothing about your father (except that he buys Donnie's patent nonsense repeatedly), but I wonder if the offspring of masked ICE agents who won't identify themselves, and are just looking for a daily quota, would say their parents served with honor. No offense, but it's hard to conceptualize an FBI agent devoted to the country and the Constitution, and who is also devoted to a patent and inveterate liar whose only concern is himself.
Bondi said that what was on her desk was a list. Even if it was a "case file," she and Donnie promised to release it. So where is it? (Apart from there never was actually anything.)
And Donnie's been going on about this matter for years, including during his former term. This was when it was a corrupted product of the "deep state," included Clinton, and had been created by Obama. So where is it?
Donald Trump hasn’t changed since 1987. Nothing but crooks , his whole family. I feel bad for your dad , I’d ask him to sit down with the victims of Donald Trump. If he can walk out of a room after hearing from all the victims and still support him …….. I’d distance my kids from him.
Sorry but will never understand how anyone with half a brain can support such a despicable man. The history of dirty Donald’s constant lies, cheating and surrounding himself with low lives.
Sorry your Dad wouldn’t admit he’s wrong if Trump admitted what he’s done to his face. I’m glad he’s not in the fbi anymore he’s not an open minded person bet he’s a fox only viewer.
Hey Mike … after watching this, my takeaway is that you both need to have your blood pressure checked (especially Bill). Truly, there were times I was concerned I might watch a stroke happen. Can Bill talk without going into high pitch verbalization (yes, he can)? The red face is a huge giveaway … yes, the alcohol could cause some but when you are both in a high passion state, the red goes scarlet. Mike, don’t let the histrionics get you going and do it for your health.
Without this video, I could have read this much easier. Good to have both views but it is PAINFUL!
The level of immorality or ignorance to be a Trump supporter is unparalleled, regardless of perceived politics. Frankly, supporting this scumbag of a man as a kin to treason to the constitution.
My mother was a life long Republican. She would be horrified at what the Republican Party has become. She hated Donald. Mainly because of the way he treated tradesmen that did work on his casino later bankrupt. How do you bankrupt a Casino. After they finished the work Donald’s lawyers paid them Penny’s on the dollar. It ruined them. Made her sick.
He’s doing the same thing right now
Sorry I cannot listen anymore. You cannot convince anyone that deludes themselves that Trump is a good guy and has good intentions. Sorry I am out of here :( 3-1/2 more years to destroy our country
Precisely correct, and that includes Congresspeople who are not convinced, but who openly say they're afraid, and the supermajority of the SCOTUS. It's a wide open question what will be left after the 3 1/2 more years.
I'm with you Dana. Can't bear the ignorance.
Agree. It was so hard to hear someone who should know better — who allegedly had respect for the rule of law — dismiss the blatant illegality of deeds by this felon. He befriended a pedophile, and has been sued by someone who was a child at the time when that felon raped her.
And he had problems with Harris??? Really!?? Wow. Yea, could not listen to him anymore.
Gee … what COULD that problem have been? It’s baffling! 🙄
I’m sorry! I edited my response about 15 times!
Anyway, yea, he’ll pretend he is not “that way”, but we know why he didn’t vote for her.
I was gone after his first sentence, “there is no list”. HOL
Not gonna play the semantics game… even if Jeff didn’t have a handy dandy list he kept in his hip pocket to bribe those on the list, a list of all those participating in the abuse in any way, shape or form was certainly compiled during the investigation.
I get it- didn't even try to listen- Im done with them .
Mike, I appreciate you bringing your dad into this conversation! It was illuminating and baffling at times and reminds us of the divide that exists. I blame FOX and right wing media for the continuous misinformation and disinformation they spew. However, I would have thought that your dad’s former profession would give him a keener sense of skepticism, especially of a pathological liar! Thanks again for this convo and tell your dad his point of view was appreciated and I hope he appreciated ours. We can agree to disagree! 😁
Thanks Alynne! I appreciated your comments last night too
Thanks. I was typing so fast to get them in so had some misspellings. Hope they made sense 🤪
Ms Hanford, you can blame Fox and right wing media all you like, but none of it has meaning without people like Bill Nellis to believe it.
I don't mean to be rude to Mike, or to Bill, but there's a reason candidates want a lot of campaign money. It buys them exposure, and if the public/voters are stupid and lazy enough, they'll buy what candidates are selling.
Fred, media consumption does play a role and it’s hard to navigate the lies, especially campaign rhetoric . We obviously vehemently disagree with Bill, but it’s important to engage and have respectful discussions and debates. We have to listen to each other’s side (as difficult as that is) in order to affect change AND have the patience of a saint for sure. I admit that I get frustrated and livid with many people. I also live in Texas!!!!
And I live in Florida, which is not a whit better.
Agreed! I’m constantly protesting as well. I was at the redistricting hearing in Arlington a few days ago. Like you we have an abhorrent governor who is up tRump’s ass! 🤬
Alynne, to give you an illustration of how difficult, or impossible, it is to engage with some people, did you note that Bill corrected Mike, and said he had voted for Donnie four times? Donnie has only run three times, and he can't run again. "Engaging" in a conversation like that is banging your head against the wall. You think you're trying to discuss a point, and the other person lives in a fairy tale world.
Agreed. Ignorance is complicity.
And you were certainly not being rude! Appreciate your comment.
I’m amazed. your dad sounds like he drank the cool aide. Trump has never been an innocent party in anything and Pam bondi is a known liar.
As a former FBI agent, how does your dad justify voting for an insurrectionist?
He talks about it briefly. In his mind we didn't give him a choice (and I disagree with that)
Bill is a Trumper. They have all kinds of explanations for all of their positions, including why it wasn't really an insurrection, or why what appeared to be an insurrection was really Biden's doing. If you want to make yourself crazy, watch Jordan Klepper interview these people.
Agreed. Thank you.
How did someone with this warped idea of reality become an FBI agent?
I mean, about 40% of the country feels this way but I can tell you my Dad served with honor regardless of his politics
If 40% of the country feels this way, that means most people don't feel this way. The gerrymandering and voter suppression are for a reason: that Republicans know they'll lose unless they cheat.
I know nothing about your father (except that he buys Donnie's patent nonsense repeatedly), but I wonder if the offspring of masked ICE agents who won't identify themselves, and are just looking for a daily quota, would say their parents served with honor. No offense, but it's hard to conceptualize an FBI agent devoted to the country and the Constitution, and who is also devoted to a patent and inveterate liar whose only concern is himself.
Honor was not in question
Unfortunate source of information and no acountability for lies has put us here
There is no doubt on that!
So, when Bondi said the list was on her desk, she lied, is that right? It's an odd lie to tell. Any thoughts about why she chose to tell that lie?
I showed him the clip after he went off air and he believes Bondi was talking about the case file. I told him I think that's horseshit.
Bondi said that what was on her desk was a list. Even if it was a "case file," she and Donnie promised to release it. So where is it? (Apart from there never was actually anything.)
And Donnie's been going on about this matter for years, including during his former term. This was when it was a corrupted product of the "deep state," included Clinton, and had been created by Obama. So where is it?
The case file wouldn’t fit on her desk.
You're damn right it is.
Donald Trump hasn’t changed since 1987. Nothing but crooks , his whole family. I feel bad for your dad , I’d ask him to sit down with the victims of Donald Trump. If he can walk out of a room after hearing from all the victims and still support him …….. I’d distance my kids from him.
Sorry but will never understand how anyone with half a brain can support such a despicable man. The history of dirty Donald’s constant lies, cheating and surrounding himself with low lives.
Does your dad not see the damage trump is doing to the country and the rule of law? I truly fear for the future of this country 🥲
It seems Dad is financially comfortable on our tax $$s so he doesn’t care about others, or our Country.
Sorry your Dad wouldn’t admit he’s wrong if Trump admitted what he’s done to his face. I’m glad he’s not in the fbi anymore he’s not an open minded person bet he’s a fox only viewer.
God Fucking Agreed,
The victims have been telling their stories and sharing their horrors for years - we don’t need a list - just believe the victims
They just burned 550 tons of food that was sent ….. I’m a farmer , USAID sent that food from me ! I’m pissed!
Hey Mike … after watching this, my takeaway is that you both need to have your blood pressure checked (especially Bill). Truly, there were times I was concerned I might watch a stroke happen. Can Bill talk without going into high pitch verbalization (yes, he can)? The red face is a huge giveaway … yes, the alcohol could cause some but when you are both in a high passion state, the red goes scarlet. Mike, don’t let the histrionics get you going and do it for your health.
Without this video, I could have read this much easier. Good to have both views but it is PAINFUL!
It was for sure the whiskey for me lol
It’s back to the content of a person’s heart, rather than party affiliation. Actions vs words. He tells us every day who he is.