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Hey folks,
My dad and I disagree about a lot. And I mean a lot.
For the first episode of Nellis vs. Nellis, I sat down with my Trump-voting, retired FBI agent father to talk about the DOJ coming after my company, the bizarre Natalie Harp story, ICE’s new stun gloves, and what happens when politics gets personal.
We agreed. We argued. At one point my own father accused me of pivoting from political corruption to World War II. This one got heated—but that’s exactly why I think these conversations matter.
[00:02:14] My dad reacts to the DOJ inquiry into my company—and explains the questions he’d want answered as a retired FBI agent.
[00:10:03] We get into one of our oldest arguments: are all politicians corrupt, or does pretending they’re all equally bad help people like Trump?
[00:15:10] Natalie Harp enters the chat, and we try to make sense of one of the strangest relationships inside Trump’s White House.
[00:30:34] We debate ICE’s new stun gloves, law enforcement training, and whether giving agents another less-lethal tool makes anyone safer.
[00:39:17] The conversation gets genuinely heated over Alex Pretti, guns, protests, police accountability, and what “following orders” actually means.
This is what I want Nellis vs. Nellis to be: two people who love each other, see the country very differently, and are still willing to sit down and actually talk. No cable-news performance. No pretending the disagreements aren’t real. And no giving up on each other because politics gets uncomfortable. If you value honest conversations like this—and want to help us build a place where they can keep happening—help me keep them going.
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With urgency,
—Mike
