We Anericans across the country do realize what is happening. We need the Press andf people like Obana and our senators and represenatives to pressure the GOP's in congresds to do the right thing, Supreme Court as well. United we stand divided we fall. I've sent as much money as I can, I don't see money as the answer or u protesting, we are all across America. Trump just forms a more strong police state.
I love Carlos’s idea of the reality show of having the richest people lose their wealth and have to try to re-earn their wealth. I don’t usually watch reality shows but that’s a show I would actually pay to watch. 😂👍🏼
MIKE: Here is a link for your father on the subject of fascism. It is from 2024, before Trump took office and began the far worse path that he is on now. If this can't get your father to accept that Trump is a fascist, give up.
There is no guarantee that Republicans will ever be out of power. Neither outcome is inevitable, but the reason Trump is in power now is a result of the stupidity and ignorance of the American electorate. I see nothing in the works that will change that. If dumb voters sour on Trump because of inflation, for example, rather than because of the criminality, the unconstitutionality, the cruelty, the constant grift, etc. then in the future, if they do nothing to change their engagement and information sources, they will be just as much of a threat in the future.
Mike, I saw you discussion with your father and, in all honesty, I think the vast majority of slack you cut him is because he is your father, not because he's not "that bad." He said a lot of things that were extremely troubling and not a indication of a deep thinker or well-informed person.
I understand your feelings, and I haven't got a problem with your attitude, because the man is your father and you love him and he obviously loves you. But politically? He's dangerous. As is anyone who voted for Trump and he did so three times. I don't want to change your mind or how you feel about your husband, but from what I saw, your love, which is a good and important thing, is clouding your judgment about your father.
That said, having him on was good in the sense of showing that people can disagree without unpleasantness or one or both shutting down. My father was a very intelligent man, but had some deep problems. He was a Republican, but he couldn't have a political discussion without taking disagreement personally. That was very immature. He would shut down and then hold a grudge for weeks. It was very sad. I can have intense, even heated discussions about controversial subjects, and when they are over feel no anger, resentment, or other negative feelings.
Mike, I can't believe you would, in any way, imply that what Kimmel said was problematic. It doesn't seem "bad" when one reads it or if one watches a clip of him saying it. I know you don't think Kimmel's comment was a problem, but their is no hierarchy of "badness" depending on how one encounters it. Sure right wingers and fascists don't like what he said, but what do they like that comes from the left or center.
Let's be realistic, you can go back ten days and find countless examples of Republicans from Trump on down saying things that were orders of magnitude worse than what Kimmel said.
Mike, yes, the Kirk comment about Black women is horrible in or out of context. What else is a problem is all the people who have claimed that Kirk didn't call for the stoning of homosexuals. He did not say "We should stone homosexuals." What he did was, after years of emphasizing what a devout Christian he quoted a verse that calls for stoning men who lie with men and following that with the casual comment, "Just saying." What are the implications of that statement. I searched to try to discover if Kirk has ever claimed the Bible is the inerrant word of God, which is a common position of many devout Christians. I couldn't find that information, but I came across a site that said that it was probable that Kirk did believe that. So, I can't say that for sure. But what I can say is that when a devout Christian quote a Bible verse as part of a discussion/argument, it does seem like "approval."
If I were a devout Christian (no possibility) and I quoted a Bible verse that said "Charley Kirk should have been shot" (which I don't support, in case this were taken out of context. and followed that with an offhand comment "Just saying," what would be a reasonable assumption? Yes, that I thought Kirk should have been shot. I don't support his murder because murder is wrong and bad, political murder has even more far-reaching repercussions, and finally, killing an individual does not "kill" his or her ideas, which is the real problem.
We Anericans across the country do realize what is happening. We need the Press andf people like Obana and our senators and represenatives to pressure the GOP's in congresds to do the right thing, Supreme Court as well. United we stand divided we fall. I've sent as much money as I can, I don't see money as the answer or u protesting, we are all across America. Trump just forms a more strong police state.
I love Carlos’s idea of the reality show of having the richest people lose their wealth and have to try to re-earn their wealth. I don’t usually watch reality shows but that’s a show I would actually pay to watch. 😂👍🏼
excellent point keeping it simple. l
MIKE: Here is a link for your father on the subject of fascism. It is from 2024, before Trump took office and began the far worse path that he is on now. If this can't get your father to accept that Trump is a fascist, give up.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/23/magazine/robert-paxton-facism.html#
There is no guarantee that Republicans will ever be out of power. Neither outcome is inevitable, but the reason Trump is in power now is a result of the stupidity and ignorance of the American electorate. I see nothing in the works that will change that. If dumb voters sour on Trump because of inflation, for example, rather than because of the criminality, the unconstitutionality, the cruelty, the constant grift, etc. then in the future, if they do nothing to change their engagement and information sources, they will be just as much of a threat in the future.
Mike, I saw you discussion with your father and, in all honesty, I think the vast majority of slack you cut him is because he is your father, not because he's not "that bad." He said a lot of things that were extremely troubling and not a indication of a deep thinker or well-informed person.
I understand your feelings, and I haven't got a problem with your attitude, because the man is your father and you love him and he obviously loves you. But politically? He's dangerous. As is anyone who voted for Trump and he did so three times. I don't want to change your mind or how you feel about your husband, but from what I saw, your love, which is a good and important thing, is clouding your judgment about your father.
That said, having him on was good in the sense of showing that people can disagree without unpleasantness or one or both shutting down. My father was a very intelligent man, but had some deep problems. He was a Republican, but he couldn't have a political discussion without taking disagreement personally. That was very immature. He would shut down and then hold a grudge for weeks. It was very sad. I can have intense, even heated discussions about controversial subjects, and when they are over feel no anger, resentment, or other negative feelings.
Love your, Dad, Mike.
Mike, I can't believe you would, in any way, imply that what Kimmel said was problematic. It doesn't seem "bad" when one reads it or if one watches a clip of him saying it. I know you don't think Kimmel's comment was a problem, but their is no hierarchy of "badness" depending on how one encounters it. Sure right wingers and fascists don't like what he said, but what do they like that comes from the left or center.
Let's be realistic, you can go back ten days and find countless examples of Republicans from Trump on down saying things that were orders of magnitude worse than what Kimmel said.
Mike, yes, the Kirk comment about Black women is horrible in or out of context. What else is a problem is all the people who have claimed that Kirk didn't call for the stoning of homosexuals. He did not say "We should stone homosexuals." What he did was, after years of emphasizing what a devout Christian he quoted a verse that calls for stoning men who lie with men and following that with the casual comment, "Just saying." What are the implications of that statement. I searched to try to discover if Kirk has ever claimed the Bible is the inerrant word of God, which is a common position of many devout Christians. I couldn't find that information, but I came across a site that said that it was probable that Kirk did believe that. So, I can't say that for sure. But what I can say is that when a devout Christian quote a Bible verse as part of a discussion/argument, it does seem like "approval."
If I were a devout Christian (no possibility) and I quoted a Bible verse that said "Charley Kirk should have been shot" (which I don't support, in case this were taken out of context. and followed that with an offhand comment "Just saying," what would be a reasonable assumption? Yes, that I thought Kirk should have been shot. I don't support his murder because murder is wrong and bad, political murder has even more far-reaching repercussions, and finally, killing an individual does not "kill" his or her ideas, which is the real problem.