The alleged shooter, Tyler Robinson, comes from a Republican family, though Tyler is not registered to any party. His father is a retired sheriff in Washington County, Utah. There are photos of Tyler and his family with guns. Tyler Robinson dressed as Donald Trump for Halloween: a devout supporter, it would seem, who donated to Do bald Trump in 2020. Could it be that Charlie Kirk calling for the release of the Epstein files caused him a problem?
Grifting to turn grief into grievance, manipulating the many’s mourning, Donald Trump solicits rage that he can exploit for violence—before there is any proof the left contributed to the shooting. That is irresponsible leadership from Trump. Republican members in Congress mimic their leader in jumping to conclusions whose only foundation is a pack of prior Trump lies. Gross irresponsibility of this magnitude is criminal malfeasance.
It is Trump who constantly and vociferously demonizes the left with his rhetoric. He does not seek to quench the Nation’s anger, he seeks to inflame any given moment, stoking the flames well before investigation uncovers any facts at all. It is he and Kirk that traded in vile, demonizing and inflammatory rhetoric designed to incite violence.
These two monetized their hostility like the money changers they are. They gaslighted the rest of us whenever a fire broke out, and they simultaneously fanned those flames while pouring gasoline on the fire.
History dictates that the shooter will be a Republican supporter. If you do not see that, yours is a delusional world. Have you paid no attention at all to the political and racist violence of last decade? If so, you know the party of violence. https://hotbuttons.substack.com/p/bilious-hate-mongering?r=3m1bs
First, as a liberal, the only reason I was hoping the shooter was not a liberal was becasue of trump and the right's constant nasty, over-the-top comments since the shooting that it was someone from the left. So I felt relieved when it came out that the guy was from a Republican family. Also, the majority of these shooters are white republican males.
Second, Australia had the same gun problem we have now, and they solved the problem by banning guns. The second amendment is the only one that I completely regret. Because of that Amendment, thousands have been sold.
Third, the martyring of Kirk is disgusting. None of those things were done when Hortman was murdered, and she was an elected official. But trump ALWAYS want to attack Dems and make heroes out of Republicans.
Watch the interview of Kirk by Megyn Kelly from 2 days b4 he was murdered. He was in Florida in front of 7000 people. They spent 29 minutes of the 32+ minutes discussing how badly they wanted to have the Epstein files released. I think that's why he's dead. Remember that there are some names of people in those files who want to remain hidden. Rich & powerful people. It's on YouTube. Go watch it.
Loomer seems to have deleted recent tweets of hers calling out Kirk in the wake of his death. As for white nationalist leader Nick Fuentes, Nellis is referring to a clip from May in which he claims Kirk was a “traitor” and a “fascist.”
Sick and tired of this endless bloviating about what motivated the killer. He was seriously mentally ill, and no other reason, as were most of the others. He is a blip in our world, not a major indicator of anything. These people do this, possibly,as a form of suicide, and/ or irrational need for attention
The political violence fomenting is real, whether any of these killers ever existed, however, it seems. It’s like a tinder box that can be inflamed at any moments esp, as we see the trump regime hoping to light the match. We do need to discuss this, and be very wary of what is occurring.
And Kirk was responsible for this violence, despite his pompous, smirking , oily ease of speaking and sense of righteousness when he says, yes , many shooters are transgender, if you want to count attempted murderers , you can’t ignore “gang” (those other people) perpretators. So he says it in a sweet way, he must be a good guy. And to attempt to say other wise shows in our Orwellian world, up is down and black is white.
WE are in a crisis of people operating through a Perception of Separation, which is the root of human caused suffering, abuse, harm, and destruction. To end the divisiveness, we must address the Separation-Mindset, as it allows individuals to devalue "other" people, and treat them as such.
Perhaps a better word than separation mindset would be tribalism. Because that really is the problem. My tribe is good your tribe is bad. Whatever I do to your tribe is justified by the fact that my tribe is better than your tribe and I am better than you.
Sure, yet it is separation from the Whole, then thinking one specific sub-group is more important than the Whole. Perceoived Separation is when an individual ‘think’ that they are not innately connected with all of humanity. This leads to devaluing certain ‘others’ of their choosing, then devaluing them… which includes claiming that their group matters most. Tribalism is a symptom of Perceived Separation, as are all other human caused issues commonly called problems.
I just woke up, so I’m not entirely coherent yet. I think we see the same thing sociologically, but perhaps differently psychologically.
Your psychological viewpoint is the “the oneness and connectedness of all mankind”. I think that that is an admirable goal, and it would be wonderful if it were true. But I could look at the entire history of humanity and see that it is not.
It takes consciousness to maintain that attitude, and I think that many people are simply incapable of it. Not because they are lesser and inferior beings, but because their experiences shaped them the way my experience is shaped me.
Last week, I went to see a play called the “hot wing king”. It was about four black gay men living in Memphis. Also part of the story were a straight boy and his petty criminal father. They were speaking in heavy dialect, which I could barely understand sometimes, and living in a world I simply don’t comprehend. My first reaction was, “do I want to watch this?” But I’ve also recognized, as I have in other situations, the racism that I was raised with. Once I confronted that in myself, I watched the rest of the play and enjoyed it. It was a good performance, and does what Theatre does best.
So I recognized the inherent connection. But it took a conscious effort to do so.
But I have long held what I called the 90% problem: that 90% of the world’s problems are caused by the fact of 90% of the people being 90% unconscious 90% of the time.
I’m not saying this to get a pat on the back. I’m saying that I agree with you.
Now I’m going to finish my coffee and wake up, too.
Yes, I understand your perspective. My take is, that true human nature is an innate connection, that unity, cooperation, and empathy, yet many people have become programmed to perceive being "separate", not connected. From years of research in this area, I've come to see that 'Perceived Separation' is 'The Grand Error of man'. We humans seem to operate from or through the Foundational Perceptions About Life and Self that we have accepted ior assumed as "The Truth"... most of which we did not accept or assume consciously. So, we basically collect these perceptions about life and self as we live, experience, are taught, and influenced. The most basic of these perceptions is, are we innately connected with all people or are we not connected, I call "Perceived Separation."
This Foundational Perception is the basis of how we operate our life, our perspectives, how we think, interpret, react, and act.
I have found that individuals operating 'as connected' tend to value, honor, and respect all people and have care and consideration for others as they go about doing for themselves. While the individuals operating as 'separate' tend to devalue other people and treat other people as "less-than' in value, as less than themselves.
I have traced most (likely all) human caused distress, abuse, harm, and destruction to Perceived Separation. Thus Separation is the only real human "problem", with all that we commonly term as problems actually being "Symptoms."
I do not think, as is common for many people, that we humans are designed to be totally independent and exclusively self-serving. Rather, we are innately geared to cooperate. Consider that mankind has been able to survive and thrive with unity and cooperation ... not from being totally independent, fearing, and hating all others. At any time in human history, we would struggle to survive on our own. And as we have evolved and expanded, connection, unity, cooperation, and empathy are more and more important and valid. Actually we have survived and thrived in spite of all the distractions and delays caused by individuals and groups acting in exclusively self-serving ways for their separation-based agendas... hate, war, etc. which have led to suffering, harm, destruction, and slowing human progress.
So, my take is... an erroneous perception of being separate from other people is the root of most or all human caused issues. The evidence is everywhere, yet we must have the intent to look and see it. There are plenty of common "reasons" and "justifications" accepted for the idea that we are basically exclusively self-serving lone-wolves. Remember, people seek justifications to feel good about their thinking and actions, often making a reality that fits their behavior.
I do think that we’re basically in agreement. There is an evolutionary argument for morality in human society: we need morality to get along with each other, to function as societies, or even as aggregations of humanity. Religion doesn’t provide that morality, except after the fact. Neither does law: what is moral may not be legal, and vice versa.
My ideas about being conscious of others is basically your idea about ending separation. So I think we’re basically in agreement, as I said. We’re just using different words to describe the same thing.
The problem with the FBI is, how much of the truth will be allowed to be released with the current administration. Don't forget who assigned Patel to his position.
“I don’t think it has anything to do with a gun” is an awfully strange thing to say about someone who was shot to death with a gun. I’m happy to argue that the *main* issue is something else, but it is undeniably true that in the absence of a gun this assassination would not have happened at this time.
Folks, pay attention to what the Republican Utah governor had to say at the press conference following the killers arrest.. He made an emotional, logical, and most importantly non-political call to reason. The federal guy not so much, he first praised the president and then the FBI. The FBI, at least, definitely did support the Utah law enforcement people.
Its ok if you called for the GOP to do this when Melissa Hortman and her husband were killed. If you didnt save the sermon. No one has to greive or reconize him. Humanity doesnt requre inclusiveness to someone that stood for excluding all non whites.
Mike - humanity is far more complex than you pretend. Empathy is indeed part of it, but so is fear, angst, anger & hatred. Perhaps celebrating a murder is a bridge too far, but acknowledging the man created fear and risks for my family that i know they too do not deserve. Your priviledege keeps you from understanding the daily tension of l having violent, dangerous, drug dealing neighbor. You wake everyday hoping that person disappears, and you dont really care how. Kirk was such a person for many marginalized people in this country.
The isolation that comes from obsessive gaming is also a contribution factor for the social isolation of young men as well as the educational deficit and critical brain development between the ages of 16-26z
SUPRISE! Like nearly all of these shooters, he is WHITE, CHRISTAIN, CONSERVATIVE, raised in an ultra GUN CULTURE family, and is a Nick Fuentes supporter. SUPRISE indeed... not.
The alleged shooter, Tyler Robinson, comes from a Republican family, though Tyler is not registered to any party. His father is a retired sheriff in Washington County, Utah. There are photos of Tyler and his family with guns. Tyler Robinson dressed as Donald Trump for Halloween: a devout supporter, it would seem, who donated to Do bald Trump in 2020. Could it be that Charlie Kirk calling for the release of the Epstein files caused him a problem?
Grifting to turn grief into grievance, manipulating the many’s mourning, Donald Trump solicits rage that he can exploit for violence—before there is any proof the left contributed to the shooting. That is irresponsible leadership from Trump. Republican members in Congress mimic their leader in jumping to conclusions whose only foundation is a pack of prior Trump lies. Gross irresponsibility of this magnitude is criminal malfeasance.
It is Trump who constantly and vociferously demonizes the left with his rhetoric. He does not seek to quench the Nation’s anger, he seeks to inflame any given moment, stoking the flames well before investigation uncovers any facts at all. It is he and Kirk that traded in vile, demonizing and inflammatory rhetoric designed to incite violence.
These two monetized their hostility like the money changers they are. They gaslighted the rest of us whenever a fire broke out, and they simultaneously fanned those flames while pouring gasoline on the fire.
History dictates that the shooter will be a Republican supporter. If you do not see that, yours is a delusional world. Have you paid no attention at all to the political and racist violence of last decade? If so, you know the party of violence. https://hotbuttons.substack.com/p/bilious-hate-mongering?r=3m1bs
He was an anti semite and white supremacist. One of his bullet etchings basically did the schoolboy taunt of “if you can read this you’re gay.” https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/sep/12/Tyler-Robinson-Charlie-Kirk-suspect-shooting-facts/
Lmfao we all new he was a trump supporter but still A HERO
https://bsky.app/profile/trenchdiggr.bsky.social/post/3lynqhqpe7k2w
First, as a liberal, the only reason I was hoping the shooter was not a liberal was becasue of trump and the right's constant nasty, over-the-top comments since the shooting that it was someone from the left. So I felt relieved when it came out that the guy was from a Republican family. Also, the majority of these shooters are white republican males.
Second, Australia had the same gun problem we have now, and they solved the problem by banning guns. The second amendment is the only one that I completely regret. Because of that Amendment, thousands have been sold.
Third, the martyring of Kirk is disgusting. None of those things were done when Hortman was murdered, and she was an elected official. But trump ALWAYS want to attack Dems and make heroes out of Republicans.
Excellent discussion! Thank you for this.
Watch the interview of Kirk by Megyn Kelly from 2 days b4 he was murdered. He was in Florida in front of 7000 people. They spent 29 minutes of the 32+ minutes discussing how badly they wanted to have the Epstein files released. I think that's why he's dead. Remember that there are some names of people in those files who want to remain hidden. Rich & powerful people. It's on YouTube. Go watch it.
TL:DR The shooter was a radicalized MAGA who grew up with and had easy access to guns.
As confirmed by Grok!
https://bsky.app/profile/trenchdiggr.bsky.social/post/3lynqhqpe7k2w
And groyper gamers:
https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/gamers-claim-writing-on-bullet-casings-in-charlie-kirk-shooting-are-from-helldivers-2-video-game/
Why are you lying about what Cox said?
Loomer seems to have deleted recent tweets of hers calling out Kirk in the wake of his death. As for white nationalist leader Nick Fuentes, Nellis is referring to a clip from May in which he claims Kirk was a “traitor” and a “fascist.”
You sound deranged.
Nellis got his screenshot of Grok confirming the shooter was using Groyper meme. Musk reprogrammed Grok afterwards
Robinson’s a groyper, Nazi boy.
https://open.substack.com/pub/thelefthook/p/magas-groyper-problem-tyler-robinson
Cox said nothing of the sort, liar.
And we have a president with mental health issue, perpetrating separation, divisiveness, and hate... and too many people saying, "He gets me!"
Unfortunately, when they say that, they are right.
I watched RFK's assassination in L.A. (I'm old). It's had a lifelong impact.
Excellent discussion!
Sick and tired of this endless bloviating about what motivated the killer. He was seriously mentally ill, and no other reason, as were most of the others. He is a blip in our world, not a major indicator of anything. These people do this, possibly,as a form of suicide, and/ or irrational need for attention
The political violence fomenting is real, whether any of these killers ever existed, however, it seems. It’s like a tinder box that can be inflamed at any moments esp, as we see the trump regime hoping to light the match. We do need to discuss this, and be very wary of what is occurring.
And Kirk was responsible for this violence, despite his pompous, smirking , oily ease of speaking and sense of righteousness when he says, yes , many shooters are transgender, if you want to count attempted murderers , you can’t ignore “gang” (those other people) perpretators. So he says it in a sweet way, he must be a good guy. And to attempt to say other wise shows in our Orwellian world, up is down and black is white.
WE are in a crisis of people operating through a Perception of Separation, which is the root of human caused suffering, abuse, harm, and destruction. To end the divisiveness, we must address the Separation-Mindset, as it allows individuals to devalue "other" people, and treat them as such.
Perhaps a better word than separation mindset would be tribalism. Because that really is the problem. My tribe is good your tribe is bad. Whatever I do to your tribe is justified by the fact that my tribe is better than your tribe and I am better than you.
Sure, yet it is separation from the Whole, then thinking one specific sub-group is more important than the Whole. Perceoived Separation is when an individual ‘think’ that they are not innately connected with all of humanity. This leads to devaluing certain ‘others’ of their choosing, then devaluing them… which includes claiming that their group matters most. Tribalism is a symptom of Perceived Separation, as are all other human caused issues commonly called problems.
I just woke up, so I’m not entirely coherent yet. I think we see the same thing sociologically, but perhaps differently psychologically.
Your psychological viewpoint is the “the oneness and connectedness of all mankind”. I think that that is an admirable goal, and it would be wonderful if it were true. But I could look at the entire history of humanity and see that it is not.
It takes consciousness to maintain that attitude, and I think that many people are simply incapable of it. Not because they are lesser and inferior beings, but because their experiences shaped them the way my experience is shaped me.
Last week, I went to see a play called the “hot wing king”. It was about four black gay men living in Memphis. Also part of the story were a straight boy and his petty criminal father. They were speaking in heavy dialect, which I could barely understand sometimes, and living in a world I simply don’t comprehend. My first reaction was, “do I want to watch this?” But I’ve also recognized, as I have in other situations, the racism that I was raised with. Once I confronted that in myself, I watched the rest of the play and enjoyed it. It was a good performance, and does what Theatre does best.
So I recognized the inherent connection. But it took a conscious effort to do so.
But I have long held what I called the 90% problem: that 90% of the world’s problems are caused by the fact of 90% of the people being 90% unconscious 90% of the time.
I’m not saying this to get a pat on the back. I’m saying that I agree with you.
Now I’m going to finish my coffee and wake up, too.
Yes, I understand your perspective. My take is, that true human nature is an innate connection, that unity, cooperation, and empathy, yet many people have become programmed to perceive being "separate", not connected. From years of research in this area, I've come to see that 'Perceived Separation' is 'The Grand Error of man'. We humans seem to operate from or through the Foundational Perceptions About Life and Self that we have accepted ior assumed as "The Truth"... most of which we did not accept or assume consciously. So, we basically collect these perceptions about life and self as we live, experience, are taught, and influenced. The most basic of these perceptions is, are we innately connected with all people or are we not connected, I call "Perceived Separation."
This Foundational Perception is the basis of how we operate our life, our perspectives, how we think, interpret, react, and act.
I have found that individuals operating 'as connected' tend to value, honor, and respect all people and have care and consideration for others as they go about doing for themselves. While the individuals operating as 'separate' tend to devalue other people and treat other people as "less-than' in value, as less than themselves.
I have traced most (likely all) human caused distress, abuse, harm, and destruction to Perceived Separation. Thus Separation is the only real human "problem", with all that we commonly term as problems actually being "Symptoms."
I do not think, as is common for many people, that we humans are designed to be totally independent and exclusively self-serving. Rather, we are innately geared to cooperate. Consider that mankind has been able to survive and thrive with unity and cooperation ... not from being totally independent, fearing, and hating all others. At any time in human history, we would struggle to survive on our own. And as we have evolved and expanded, connection, unity, cooperation, and empathy are more and more important and valid. Actually we have survived and thrived in spite of all the distractions and delays caused by individuals and groups acting in exclusively self-serving ways for their separation-based agendas... hate, war, etc. which have led to suffering, harm, destruction, and slowing human progress.
So, my take is... an erroneous perception of being separate from other people is the root of most or all human caused issues. The evidence is everywhere, yet we must have the intent to look and see it. There are plenty of common "reasons" and "justifications" accepted for the idea that we are basically exclusively self-serving lone-wolves. Remember, people seek justifications to feel good about their thinking and actions, often making a reality that fits their behavior.
I'm finalizing my book on this topic now.
I do think that we’re basically in agreement. There is an evolutionary argument for morality in human society: we need morality to get along with each other, to function as societies, or even as aggregations of humanity. Religion doesn’t provide that morality, except after the fact. Neither does law: what is moral may not be legal, and vice versa.
My ideas about being conscious of others is basically your idea about ending separation. So I think we’re basically in agreement, as I said. We’re just using different words to describe the same thing.
The problem with the FBI is, how much of the truth will be allowed to be released with the current administration. Don't forget who assigned Patel to his position.
“I don’t think it has anything to do with a gun” is an awfully strange thing to say about someone who was shot to death with a gun. I’m happy to argue that the *main* issue is something else, but it is undeniably true that in the absence of a gun this assassination would not have happened at this time.
Folks, pay attention to what the Republican Utah governor had to say at the press conference following the killers arrest.. He made an emotional, logical, and most importantly non-political call to reason. The federal guy not so much, he first praised the president and then the FBI. The FBI, at least, definitely did support the Utah law enforcement people.
Its ok if you called for the GOP to do this when Melissa Hortman and her husband were killed. If you didnt save the sermon. No one has to greive or reconize him. Humanity doesnt requre inclusiveness to someone that stood for excluding all non whites.
Mike - humanity is far more complex than you pretend. Empathy is indeed part of it, but so is fear, angst, anger & hatred. Perhaps celebrating a murder is a bridge too far, but acknowledging the man created fear and risks for my family that i know they too do not deserve. Your priviledege keeps you from understanding the daily tension of l having violent, dangerous, drug dealing neighbor. You wake everyday hoping that person disappears, and you dont really care how. Kirk was such a person for many marginalized people in this country.
The isolation that comes from obsessive gaming is also a contribution factor for the social isolation of young men as well as the educational deficit and critical brain development between the ages of 16-26z
SUPRISE! Like nearly all of these shooters, he is WHITE, CHRISTAIN, CONSERVATIVE, raised in an ultra GUN CULTURE family, and is a Nick Fuentes supporter. SUPRISE indeed... not.